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Hurricane Katia Update

By Ben Freeston - Published on 5th September 2011 | Viewed 40160 times.

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UPDATE: We're still on for most of the US East coast and things are looking almost as good for Europe later next week


Latest storm track.© 2011 - MSW


Katia is pretty much doing all we could ask of her. The forecast for Florida is looking a bit more muted with the storm taking a more northerly track than some model suggested - we've still got waves in the 3ft@14 range with peaks of around 4ft@14 later in the week. Smaller size and longer period normally equals more barrels so expect mid size (6-8ft faces) waves but plenty of fun to be had. North Carolina gets walloped by the bulk of it - 9ft@15 seconds would equate to a 15-20ft faces at spots that'd handle it on the peak of the swell on Thursday, of course your normal beachy will start to max out some way before this so smaller reforms and shore break barrels are the go outside shelter. New Jersey and New York get in the 8ft@15 range at peak on thursday - again pushing wave face heights potentially into the 12-18ft range on exposed spots that'll handle that size. New England gets waves - but with the storm now called to head almost due north seeing shelter from the bulk of the swell on many beaches. Then up in Nova Scotia we're looking at a Friday peak in the same range as North Carolina.

Over in Europe we're looking at a swell arriving around the 12/13th of September and potentially in the 10ft@16 second+ range. So something for the big wave spots and shelter pretty much everywhere although the probabilities here are a lot lower.

All these numbers are provisional and based on the latest model data - however we've already got long period swell in Florida up to NC and the system moving in the right direction to guarantee some sort of swell for further north on the coast, so while size might vary if the storm deviates from the forecast swell is pretty much certain. The European component relies on the storm taking a forecast track so the chances of a changing call are MUCH higher, we've still got 4 or more days until we'll know for certain that swell is on it's way.

As always your local forecast is updated four times a day with the long range outlook and our specific hurricane forecasts are available.

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Two names on the lips of everyone at Quiksilver HQ at the moment we'd think, Irene and Katia. The first has destroyed their hopes of an urban surf music festival on a grand scale, the latter might just make the surf contest (which will still take place) a real event to remember.

Here at MSW HQ we’ve been neck deep in our swell data archives ever since Quik announced the somewhat controversial decision to run a NY stop on the ASP World Tour. It’s not that Long beach doesn’t get epic waves, it’s just the odds of Huey bringing it within a normal ‘CT window that was up for debate, it’s a million dollar gamble for a company with a deserved core surf reputation and that’s a lot to put on the line. After some number crunching the odds didn't look too bad at all, with a 85% chance of contestable hurricane conditions during the window (looking back over the past 15 years) and a 70% chance of the sort of swell that’ll start to make for memorable conditions. It still left the question of what exactly a surf competition does during those 15% of years of competition when conditions don’t come off. Fast forward to 2011 and Katia looks set to make that one less issue on the Quik dinner plate.


Hurricane Katia Track© 2011 - Google/MSW/NHC


So the outlook: Right now we have a hurricane strength system mid Atlantic with a track that’ll pushing swell in the general direction of Florida and is moving into favourable conditions for increased strength over the next few days. The NHC suggests that the storm will reach major hurricane strength by Sunday. As we’ve mentioned before, critical to a hurricane's swell generation is its track. Where a normal storm is potentially large enough to generate swell to some extent in all directions, a hurricane normally relies on virtual fetch to create significant swell, the winds are intense but cover a relatively small area, the waves propogating away from the storm before they’ve had a chance to build to a significant size. The perfect hurricane travels with the waves it creates continuing to add energy to them in this peak direction (interestingly Hurricane Irene was big enough to generate significant swell for Florida despite a relatively poor track). Hurricane Katia is, at the moment, being held on a westerly track by a large high pressure ridge that’s almost perfectly placed to increase this virtual fetch before releasing the storm onto a more northerly track avoiding the destructive landfall of Hurricane Irene (which was pinned to the coast sandwiched between two high pressure systems). Of course all this is speculation with plenty of room for variation at this stage but the models we use were actually pinning Hurricane Irene on its correct track 16 days in advance, so while our confidence might be a little higher than is reasonable, the best case at the moment does imply that Hurricane Katia could be something of a classic for significant swell generation for most of the East Coast without making landfall.


High pressure steers Katia west© 2011 - MSW


The latest model numbers for swell are remarkably consistent from Florida right up to the Quik contest site at Long Beach, we’re in the 6-10ft@14 seconds range at peak and this is taken from our normal swell model which tends to run cool on these small, intense storms. Additionally the relatively slow moving storm is going to generate a more slowly building swell that looks like it could plausibly give almost a full week of swell against the short lived ‘surfing in the storm’ style swell that Hurricane Irene delivered.

We'd caveat all of this by saying that the NHC reckon the 5 day error in their forecasts averages at 250 miles for a Hurricane and we're talking about a swell that's not (on the latest model runs) set to peak for a week. However if things run as stand the closest recent storm would be Hurricane Igor last year, producing good conditions at Long Beach with a similar strong offshore wind that the forecast suggests we'll see again this year from an unrelated low pressure system. Best bet on the latest numbers for the comp - 8-12ft faces in a moderate to fresh offshore wind towards the end of next week. These numbers no doubt will change - stay tuned and check your local forecast for the latest detailed long range numbers.
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tbeamer260 days ago +4 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
for cape cod, would the best day to surf be thursday, or friday? it seems its going to be nearer to land friday, but what day should optimal surf roll in?
Hooked Cabarete261 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Perfect conditions here in the Dominican Republic on Playa Encuentro! First day around 5-7ft, second 6-8ft nice long walls and a few barrels. With the change of direction to the north more barrels, a little smaler 3-6ft with more barrels. Perfect surf days! If you look for a place to stay close to the spot check www.hookedcabarete.com
bravegoat262 days ago -6 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
I bought the pro upgrade for the iphone app and received no follow up info on how to activate. My itunes account was charged. I've emailed and received no response. Sight and app are great but I still don't feel good about throwing money away! Caution to people considering this purchase!
Ben Freeston262 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
It should automatically activate? When did you email - we deal with issues daily?
mtbhersurfer264 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
Darn It! I should be harvesting what's left of the crops for the Ag-fair tomorrow, but just finished my second session in the water today. Have so much work to do before tomorrows event, but I'm headed back out into the water at 6pm tonight. Peace ON!
moberlew265 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Lets hope Katia goes west of Bermuda but, well east of the East coast (Florida)... I'll take 300-600 miles like hurricane Billy did two years ago!! Epic... 3-4 days of solid surf! Friday evening session and the 3-4 sessions Saturday were like surfing a real surf destination.
friendshipking265 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Do you think we'll get good waves as far north as Rhode Island, and do you have any dates for when the swell will hit yet?
Ben Freeston263 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Looks good for pretty much everywhere from Sunday onward - latest data is for a peak from thur/fri but a really nice run of small but long period swell from now until then on the more exposed beaches. This graph from the nearest wavebuoy http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?station=44097&meas=spec&uom=E is already showing the start of a 15-20 second period pulse arriving (the graph will update so by the time you read this it might look different to the one I'm seeing now) but this is exactly in line with the forecast. Check your local forecast for more details.
Coelacanth263 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Ben...I did a little math exercise Sunday evening to calculate when the Katia swell would arrive here in Stuart, FL. The 15 sec period pulse first showed on the NE Bahamas buoy(#41047)at about 0000 hrs(EDT)on Sunday. I expected to see a 15 sec period reading show up on the nearshore Ft. Pierce buoy(#41114)after about 20 hours time and 465 nm distance(between those two buoys). I was sure it would show hours BEFORE that on the 120 nm Canaveral buoy(#41010)...which is way east(120+ nm!)...and slightly north...of the Ft. Pierce buoy...And so it was the Canaveral buoy I kept checking on to see first signs of the Katia swell getting closer. But it didn't show on the Canaveral buoy until AFTER it had showed on the Ft. Pierce buoy...Any idea or speculation as to why that was?...Just curious...And ready for some Katia swell.=^)
Ben Freeston263 days ago -3 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
How were you checking for the arrival of the swell exactly? The dominant period on the normal buoy readout is simply the period of the largest waves (PEAK PERIOD), as the swell propagates away from the storm the shorter period stuff will decay in size fastest AND the long period waves will travel faster. So two credible explanations (and an element of both might be the case) the swell hit 41010 with the longer and shorter periods arriving at a similar time, with the high energy in the lower periods masking the arrival of the smaller longer period stuff. As this swell travels further the longer period stuff (travelling faster) pulls away from the pack a little further, and the lower period stuff starts to loose size, this doesn't change the fact that the swell has already hit 41010, it just means the maths that takes the complex mix of arriving waves and gives one peak period sees the 15 second stuff a little earlier. Alternatively (and sorry for not digging deeper to check) a wind swell larger offshore was masking the arrival of the new swell in the same way. If you'd checked these graphs, which give the full range of period in the swell, I'm absolutely confident you'll have seen the 15 second stuff hit Canaveral first: http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?station=41010&meas=spec&uom=E & http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?station=41114&meas=spec&uom=E - The NDBC don't have historic versions of these graphs, we'll be adding both the graphs and archived versions to MSW shortly (working on it now).
Coelacanth263 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
I think your ideas solved the mystery for me Ben. Thanks for giving it some thought and attention. I WAS just looking at the dominant swell readings on the buoys...and there WAS still a residual north wind swell from a prior weakish low pressure system at the time. Those residual north swell readings were significantly bigger on the outer Canaveral buoy(41010)than they were on the Ft. Pierce buoy(41114)at the time the Katia swells were inbound from a different direction. And so...the 15 sec period Katia swells probably DID get masked for awhile...as you suggested...because of that.
Ben Freeston263 days ago +5 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Cool - as I got to the end of writing the lengthy reply about decay/speed of travel I noticed it but figured the other bit was worth keeping in there (it can well be the answer although less likely over that distance). Never one to use one word when one hundred will do ;)
Coelacanth262 days ago +5 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Oh...I'm just the opposite!...Yep. ;^)
i_wipeout_alot262 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
I'm going to go snake some locals at ruggles, wanna come?
Travis Bickle266 days ago -2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Heading to the gulf this weekend for storm surf then next week should be awesome.
TarikB266 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
Well look less and less epic for us here in Barbados, Igor really spoiled us.
QuonnieRI266 days ago -3 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
projected to curve away from FL and head north, just when i leave Rhode island after Irene to move to Florida theres a good chance that RI will have good swells :( gonna miss the home break
msideb01266 days ago -1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
The great hurricane swell of our time! (I hope)
cpquinn266 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Ed, what are the chances of UK waves from this system? Thanks
Ben Freeston266 days ago +10 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Almost none - you pretty much need the storm to track towards Europe to produce meaningful swell there, which normally they just don't do while still tropical. More likely, as with Irene at the moment, is the storm runs it's track up the east coast of the US and hits the normal jet stream track creating a normal cold core low pressure system that heads over towards Europe. There's already tiny Ex. Irene swell on UK beaches and come monday significant swell from the system, which most likely hits a north/south jet streak in the eastern Atlantic that'll add a bit of momentum.
cpquinn266 days ago +3 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
OK great, thanks a lot for your response, fingers crossed for something decent!
Gavlar265 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
What is the chances of the ex Irene swell pushing up the English Channel?
steve00265 days ago +21 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
about the same as your mum getting a wild card into the pipe masters and smoking kelly with two ten point rides in the final
Ben Freeston263 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
It's starting to blow into the channel now - it's windswell from the current storm system, nothing particularly clever but waves all the way up to Brighton this week. It's all showing on your local long range forecast.
Ben Freeston263 days ago -1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
She does now look to do an Igor style dog leg in a few days that'll point the still Hurricane system back towards Europe - so we'd tentatively be expecting swell for most of Europe from the middle of next week now!
7267 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
I'm not sure my system can take a week of adrenaline and high blood pressure. This will very likely be epic. A couple survivable days would be good.
Coelacanth266 days ago +4 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Hey 7...Did you get some decent surf up your way from Hurricane Irene? Or was it all a mess of wind and rain and flooding. I don't recall seeing many surf pics north of New Jersey.
tbeamer266 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
incredibly choppy, like a washing machine in massachusetts. wind so strong you cant even paddle out
moberlew265 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
There were killer waves in NJ! Google "hurricane Irene surf pics in New Jersey." Look for Youtube links for said search and you'll see plenty of heavy barrels w/surfers in them! I live in Jacksonville FL. and was surprised to see clean conditions...
7265 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Yeah, NJ sharks had it good. Irene then went through NYC and west of Boston and Portsmouth, so no chance of a ground swell in NH. I got out in chest high slop with a strong side shore wind causing a good drift into the rocks. Better than a sharp stick in the eye, but forecast for next 8 days is for some moderately good stuff, mostly due to Katia. Track of the storm looks (NOAA) like it'll be just east of Cape Cod on the 10th, so 8 days of surf may stretch to 11. Wish I were younger, but I'll take 6 to 12 hours in the water over the next 2 weeks for sure.
7264 days ago +3 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
2011.09.03:17:44ET Latest NOAA long range has no landfall at all, so it may be on its way to the UK and EU on the 11th with strength only somewhat diminished. Someone over there has been making sacrifices to Druid gods.
SuperKook267 days ago +4 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
5 stars for 5 straight days! Surfed out feelings coming for the East Coast! Yeeeww!
jamie pack262 days ago +3 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
BOOKED THE FERRY DOWN TO SANTANDER ABOUT A MONTH AGO, ARRIVING ON THE THE 13TH SEP, ROAD TRIP, SWEET!
 
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