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Igor Europe: Quik Pro Call

By Ben Freeston - Published on 18th September 2010 | Viewed 29959 times.

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YOU don't have to spend much time on the forecast pages to have spotted the chance of a monster swell for Europe next week - the models have been hinting at it for days. With the first event of the European leg of the WCT kicking off and with MSW the official forecaster for the Quiksilver pro we're itching to shout about it. So why haven't we?

As a surf forecaster you're torn between two desires: firstly and most critically 'be accurate', but secondly and more subtly there's an imperative to make the call. To be the first. To spot the big swell or the big storm before anyone else. The problem is they're not really compatible. Being accurate in large part is about being honest because being honest is shouting about not just what you know, but what you don't know -- and for every forecast there's an element of uncertainty, when we deal with Hurricanes it's the lion's share.

Long Period Goodness?© 2010 - MSW

So we've been biting our lips over Igor + Europe for almost a week now. Even as some crazy exciting numbers drop into the long-range model forecasts we've been nervous to make get too excited and here's why:

We all know that storms make surf and all things being equal stronger storms make bigger surf but the problem with Hurricanes is their size. Sure there's energy there and plenty of it but it's all packaged up so neatly that, even with Igor a giant by regular standards, there just isn't enough fetch for the wind to generate exceptional waves. To generate interesting swell a Hurricane relies on a phenomena knows as 'virtual fetch', a complicated way of saying that the Hurricane is travelling in the same direction as the waves it makes, so the wind keeps blowing and making them bigger. We need not only a powerful storm, but we need it to be heading in the right direction. To complicate things further the speed of the Hurricane comes into play - waves of different periods travel at different speeds - if the Hurricane travels too slowly the interesting long period waves race away before it can blow much energy into them. In fact for the perfect storm we need the Hurricane to track at exactly the right speed to impart extra energy into the peak period of the swell. The alternative for European surfers is normally to hope that as the storm heads north and cools it turns extratropical and we end up with a large conventional low following its normal track. This tends to mean we get surf and wind at best and certainly doesn't normally lend itself to that exceptional long period power.

So right now what do we know? We know we have a powerful Mid-Atlantic storm heading the wrong way for Europe and to see exceptional European surf we need the storm to start to change track. We need, sometime in the next 48hrs, Igor to start a move away from the US and in a direction that'll push size into the swell heading towards Europe. We also need an increase in speed, the storm is currently moving at about 12 knots, good for building up the 6-10 second period component but doing nothing much to help the 15-16 second period we hope to arrive as the bulk of the swell. Thirdly as it moves north into colder waters we need the storm to maintain it's intensity.

So will it? The consensus of the model forecasts is that the storm WILL track back towards France, it WILL speed up and it WILL maintain Hurricane intensity. Already this week we've watched the numbers calm from a crazy (but entirely possible) 10ft@16 to an actually more contestable 7ft@16 - our gut feeling based on everything we have to hand is that it'll cool further but that we're 70/30 odds on for a swell in the 4-8ft range with the power of that all important 15-18 second period slap bang at the start of the contest window. Pretty much the perfect recipe for the grinding shorebreak barrels that Hossegor's famous for -- if it comes to pass and the sand is there. We'll be back mid week to update the latest numbers (which we should be able to have much more confidence in) and of course the all important local winds...

(PS. Stay safe Bermuda - It seems pretty trivial to worry about the surf when you're taking the brunt of the storm and our thoughts are with you)
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40607 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
that eyeball report is a bit of a joke. every time this guy takes his snap at capbreton town beaches and that has nothing to do with the fact how things are in area in general, always the smallest spot.
French Bread607 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
True enough. And we were right about our closing-out forecasts... There is some size, but it's not surfable, I'm just out of the water too, and didn't catch a proper wave, so it's fun to see the pros struggling in the foam too :D
40606 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
i don't get how msw can blow 5* conditions just based on swell size and period even when winds are straight onshore. that's just beyond me.
Ben Freeston605 days ago +5 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
If the wind is onshore we grey out the stars so we do take that into account - it might make less sense in France with a few hundred miles of coastline all facing pretty much the same way, but given great many coastlines what's onshore at one beach is offshore a few miles away and knowing that a powerful swell is coming is most important factor. Ultimately however 'right' we can get it (and there are practical limits to what we can and can't calculate as hard as we try) even more fundamentally one surfers perfect La Graviere/Pipeline/G-Land is another surfers nightmare - it can only ever be an 'at a glance' guide and we've never tried to over sell it but explained honestly how it works and what you can and can't expect from it...
Ben Freeston605 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
On the eyeball report we're looking into it...
French Bread604 days ago +3 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Don't be too bad with the guy, I guess he's just trying to make better business XD
matttheglove612 days ago +6 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Just got back from a week there - the sand is there, the banks are there and it's going to smoke!!!!!!
jfloriani609 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
any hopes for next weekend? 1-4/oct... I'll be heading down there to check quicksilver pro and hopefully to scores some waves... by the way, what's the best condition over there? NW swell with SE winds?
MantaWave613 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Hope you guys get it. This is greg, dejected in Virginia Beach after 4 days of crosswinds tearing up the Igor swell. 4', backwashy, absolute dribble. ;.(
ulurider613 days ago +6 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
For what it's worth, I just got out of the water at Montauk Point and the forecast was spot-on. 8'-10', with an unfortunate 20 kts of wind on it from the N/NE. Made for some late drops with those kind of offshores but the Igor swell is there. Has been a fun 3 days. Over to you, Europe...
40613 days ago +3 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
last thursday msw numbers were 6.5'@12 sec for noon and this is what went down front of the contest site: http://quiksilverlive.com/profrance2010/blog,22,event.fr.html. that swell had way more north in it. now put few seconds more period with straight west and do the math, could get insane but could be one heaving closeout as well. tides will play a big part how everything pans out as well, swell that size combined with bigger tides from the start of the waiting period might be one huge riptide rushing through the lineup. then again, maybe not. if ben59's local spot can handle all these things going off at the same time, then that's good for him. over here good things come in a bit smaller packages, but when they come, it's hard to beat.
Ed Magicseaweed613 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
Several things: firstly it's all down to the sand and the contest is mobile so can shift to the bit of sand able to cope (a swell is also more than its peak remember). Secondly, this isn't your average Joe surfer, what you see as unmakable (see Supertubos last year) is a ten pointer to the top guys. For everyone else not interested in the comp and who wants to surf there are lots of places not so far away that will be able to cope. This is a decent sized swell with a long period but it's not a Mavericks swell.
40613 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
true, those guys can handle pretty much anything ocean's throwing to them, but it's a different story how banks will hold the peak of the swell and what's left there after carnage has slowed down. it's not a mavericks swell, but we are talking about beachbreaks here and not a deep water bommie. of course there's always la nord. bigger tides from the beginning will cause some gnarly rips, that's always the case on these beaches when solid swell combines with large tides. it can be big and perfect, but it doesn't mean it's contestable unless they start to use serious jetski assist there. keeping that in mind, the brunt of the swell could also create something new which will be mental after the smoke clears. who knows, maybe la graviere wakes up from her hibernation. i assume that you don't check those spots at daily basis and therefore all the forecasting is just based on how things pan out in your computer screen and that has nothing to do how good or bad sand has piled up. they are mobile, true, but it won't be like it's been at years past. but right now how your numbers look like it seems that there will be some seriously classic days coming up starting from monday 27th, for everyone, but that's still far away. those are more likely the numbers you want to see here, than anything with 16 sec period. and as i said about the direction, hossegor area lits up when there's more north than west. other than that, really good article about the thing which we all find interesting. my comments are only based on my own experiences how this place works most of the times, but we shouldn't get too happy every time forecast is all bling with 5* ratings because quite few things need to line up so everything comes together in a way we all want to see it happen.
Ed Magicseaweed613 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
I totally agree with you and our forecasts are for the swell, not the sand, that's an ambition but it would spoil the search and the hikes through the woods (or in my case following people if they dive off the road at odd points into the woods). However you might be surprised that we do check every eyeball every day (for the whole world). Which means we've been green for the last week looking at the Hossegor reports. It might all become a bit academic now anyway as local winds are looking a bit problematic for the weekend ... fingers crossed.
French Bread612 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
If by mobile you mean able to go up to vendée or bretagne, then ok. And by close out we mean breaking over 100m in less than a sec, and I don't know of any surfer able to surf that... What I see is high period, strong winds. Doesn't sound that good so far. I think the coming wednesday will be better than the weekend.
WestSurf612 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
For what it's worth, have heard Quik has reshaped sand banks over the past years when needed. Don't know who's providing the proper bank design though, but bulldozer work on the exact comp area doesn't lie much apparently... Having checked the area over the past weeks though, I would not be too confident about the sand being able to deal with such a west long component swell. Just hope I'm wrong
matttheglove612 days ago -1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Thursday was way bigger than 6foot. It was at least 3 times overhead on the sets, but there was a lot of North!
matttheglove612 days ago -1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Check my photo of Gravier (latest one one). That was taken from the top of the highrise opposite, so doesen't give a full picture of size due to angle. That was also on high. Was pretty much perfect like that all day with the chanel holding for the SUP surfers to get out!
40612 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
thursday's msw numbers were 6.5@13 6&9 o'clock, then 6.5@12 for noon. i spent good 5 hours on a ski on that area, but it wasn't triple overhead. it was actually pretty calm out there, and definitely good to paddle.
40612 days ago +4 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
there were no waves at graviere, everyone were surfing the outside bank.
matttheglove612 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
The guys on the SUP's were the most impressive. I always though that was Graviere or is it nearer the rocks? Estagnots was nuts. That would be fun for the comp on that swell. Would see how the tour guys fitness was anyway!
40612 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
la graviere is more or less a heaving, wedgy shorebreak, not the one breaking out the back or halfway inside. usually high tide deal there, proper day outside breaks first, then reform hits the bank hard and there you go. last time i saw it break was end of august last year. it seems to go in cycles how well it behaves, last stretch was damn good one though.
matttheglove611 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
You learn something every day! I saw the ski's go past up to Estagnot way - looked mean up there. Great waves all day Wed/Thurs and Friday. Back in Kent now and gutted!
French Bread600 days ago -1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
MSW, you owe me a pint for the accuracy of my forecast :D
40614 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
16' period is way too much for hossegor area, that'll create one nice closeout from seignosse to capbreton. 10-12' is desired and then size of the swell comes to play. la nord might be the only option with that period but it doesn't like west swells.
ben59613 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
glass half empty?
wickw613 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
make your comment a positive contribution
40613 days ago +2 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
that's just the way it is, like it or not. we all wanna see the show go down in crazy conditions like it has done in past, but these beaches favor more peaky, shorter than 15 second period swell which rather have more north than west in them. there's not that many beachbreaks on this continent which will hold 15sec+ period stuff. and fyi, glass is always half full.
prj.webb613 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Agreed, high period, straight on swells usually lead to a hell of a lot of close outs on exposed beaches.
French Bread614 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
I have to say I'm quite sceptical myself albeit excited and hoping I'm wrong. Danielle has been disappointing here, producing closing out chest high waves, and only maybe one or 2 surfable days. Only the spots in the north west of france had been working it out nicely. While past week a typical windswell entered the bay of biscay and produced incredible days of perfect head-high surfing (forecast was something like 5ft@11sec). So if you had to this the fact that Igor is tracking in a not so ideal direction; it seems the wave trains have already spread out a lot, my personal take is that it will produce average closing out swell on most days. In sw france at least, for the spot are very exposed and tend not to handle so good cyclonic swell, since they can't warp around this exposed spot. Again, I hope I'm wrong and we'll have a glassy overhead weekend, but it just sounds too good to be true :D
Mark Welsh614 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
Looks good guys, hope all your dreams come true. We just had, last week the biggest swell ever recorded to hit Australia. Whats the world coming too (surf heaven)
bazza614 days ago +1 Rating Rate Positive Rate Negative
6 8 pintail getting dusted off even if just for look at her...
vowleser614 days ago Unrated Rate Positive Rate Negative
Oh yeah baby!!!
 
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