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Gil Hogarth's photo of Widemouth Bay

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Average rating of 4.07 from 27 votes

Widemouth Bay

Spot Location: UK + Ireland > England > Widemouth Bay

Date Taken: 20th February 2011. 12663 page views since 23rd February 2011.

Swell Rating Primary Swell Secondary Swell Wind (+ Gusts) Weather
8.5ft 16s 259.51°     7 9 mph Clear 46°f
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pig city Mar 3, 2011 Rating: -1

"localism is a disease "to quote one of our islands greatest surfers

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Gil Hogarth Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 3

I think its very good talking about this, however why dont some of the locals comment telling us what they think? unless they get agressive , haha .

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bench-lord Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 1

gil,it's great to talk about it,not just this spot but localism in general.i teach about this very subject to the first year students at the bournemouth uni surf course.

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bench-lord Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 2

I am wondering if i would be eligable to surf this spot? my family has been in cornwall for over 2 hundred years,probably longer but thats as far back as we can trace,our surname is cornish {Penwarden}i have family still in cornwall{st agnes}yet i live in bournemouth? oh and i've surfed in devon and cornwall for around 40 years.what is the position please?

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bench-lord Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 4

toadfish you know that 3.5 million pound reef is a secret spot!! you've now broken the surfers code and i officially bar you from ever surfing there!

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toadfish Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 4

nope you gotta stick to bourenmouth reef I'm afraid. surfers rule book chapter 7 paragraph 8.1 Enjoy that red hot reef of yours that cost you millions LOL

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the vanity project Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 3

There’s nothing wrong with visitors to our favourite places. Waves travel thousands of miles to reach our shores and no one seems to mind them.

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soutie Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 1

yeah, but that wave travelled thousands of kilometers with my name on it. SOUTIE.

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Get Joggly Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 0

Although not sure to be so whimsical with Sunny in your hood !

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Get Joggly Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 0

Localism is like ground swell , further from home YOU travel the heavier IT gets . Although not shore to be so whimsical with Sunny in your hood !

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Get Joggly Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 0

Localism is like ground swell , further from home YOU travel the heavier IT gets . Although not shore to be so whimsical with Sunny in the hood !

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brayer Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 3

Localism is nothing to do with guys dropping in on each other and pinching their wave.....It all about sad simple minded locals who think they have a right to that spot over visiting surfers. I have surfed in Cornwall for 25+ years and yes it is getting worse but surfing is still growing as a sport and no matter what break you visit there will always be some twat in the water who thinks they're better than everyone else and have a god given right to ruin it for others. I've been to the North Shore and localism is mental but thats what you'd expect from a culture that has had it's roots in surfing for thousands of years......People who don't respect others will never earn that respect back ! Just enjoy what you've got while you're on the planet !

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bench-lord Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 3

im sorry but could a local surfer please answer my question? as this is now a debate on localism i feel the locals should respond?

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soutie Feb 28, 2011 Rating: -2

i qualify, as i am a very local surfer, now lets see... whaqt was the question?

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Tequila Sunrise Feb 28, 2011 Rating: 3

Garcia and Flores behave like scum. They should be barred from the circuit for that.

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Get Joggly Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 1

RE ur visiting pro question > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG4pjn_Xr54

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Tequila Sunrise Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

50 46' 16.85" N 4 34' 47.37" W on the gps. That spot?

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Gil Hogarth Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 2

mmmm i think mikepike has got the point, apprently i was being to sensitive when i wrote the captions for the photos ?

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Tequila Sunrise Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

Ye Gil most surfers enjoy ladies with attitude.

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brayer Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

Secret Spot is bollocks - Nothing of the sort in cornwall. Thats MILLOOK right near bude.......................... everyone knows about it, especially now......

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Tequila Sunrise Feb 27, 2011 Rating: -1

Man, that is pissing on the locals battery with a donkey wors. Hope you are incognito.

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palosverdes Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 3

I sometimes suffer from "localism", at my local break. What it really is, is bad attitude called bigotry, it's bloody dangerous and inexcusable. Now, i'm more than capable of surfing here, and safely, but on "good" days there's often someone, usually in the wrong place, who feels it's perfectly o.k. to deliberately interfere with someone who is up and riding in an attempt to cause them personal injury and countenance their behaviour any way they can. Breaching etiquete, which is there for all our safety, is wrong, whether you're from and live there or have travelled. Leave the arrogance at home, it wastes waves and that really is wrong.

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Gaynow Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 1

Hey nice shot of the point at Crackington Haven. We also got some good waves in North Devon along the the North side of the horn. Great waves and well worth a visit even if it is cold. I bet the Irish Republic surfers would take off on the critical take off spot further up the point, where we were taking off. It's not unmakeable.

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Tequila Sunrise Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

I think you mean transgender. Why label the break if the label is rubbish anyway.

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J P Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 1

Tell you what I presume that was guess work from our transatlantic friend, but not a million miles away.

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bench-lord Feb 27, 2011 Rating: -1

I have a question as i'm reading these comments with interest,what would happen if kelly slater,jordy smith and taj burrow turned up at this break and took all the waves and outsurfed the local "rippers" and the locals were made to look second rate by comparision? would they be told to "f" off and have their cars vandalised,as is suggested at this break or would they be welcomed with open arms and worshipped by the locals?

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toadfish Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 2

my guess is they would be worshipped and have there pick of the waves.

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archibald gruntfuttock Feb 27, 2011 Rating: -1

yeah, localism is unfortunate and understandable. but it seems to me that the good thing about surfing is that it is self-moderating unlike many other sports. ie, when it gets bigger, if you aren't 'good' enough you don't/can't get out. many complain because they think they have the right ( or the ability) to ride waves that, quite simply, they don't.

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jon terry Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

That's right mate it does moderate itself when it gets bigger but these are the times when you rarely get local issues out back, in fact I know some guys that have saved the inexperienced surfers in these conditions. But 3-4ft offshore in August everyone wants some and tempers fly.But it's these times that the locals get the revenue from the tourists to globe trot all winter and feel offended by localism. Leave it where you find it and don't bring it back to your break.

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gwithian Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 1

look for a bigger beach ie 4miles of golden sand st ives bay all ways a break to be had on your own or with a couple or mates

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ObS Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 5

Far from secret. Great wave. On Crowds. Live with it, is going to get worse. If you want to be a shitty local and get all agro, then you will contribute to the spread of this attitude. I'm a local on my beaches, but not a local when I travel, as traveling is part of all our culture we need to find a way. Sometimes it's hard to stay calm when a crew of surfers hit our beaches. Particularly greedy people (longboards and SUPs in the frame mostly) they should think on before they provoke aggressive responses. So, a respectful line up is the best environment for all, Don't drop in and don't be greedy. Surfers are usually youngish men with the usually testosterone fueled attitudes, I honestly believe that most of us don't go surfing for a fight, we must be motivated by riding waves and drawing lines. On the flip side, come to any beach with a shitty attitude and you will get a shitty response, for me ruining the experience. Shame we have influences such as the 'Bra' boys - idiots!

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toadfish Feb 27, 2011 Rating: -1

localism is pretty frustrating for sure, but from the other side of the coin surfing is getting ridiculously popular now, so if you were surfing a break to yourself 10-20 years ago and now there 20-30 guys out thats pretty frustrating too...especially when most are kooks that just flounder around getting in the way. Best bet is kooks should surf the crappy waves, intermediates the the o.k waves and the elite to the best waves, cos lets face it if your out with a bunch of rippers you don't get a look in anyway...we are never going to live in a share and share alike world!!The ideology is great but it's just never gunna happen.

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toadfish Feb 27, 2011 Rating: -2

Wasn't being pro localism...just pro realism. There is no way a bunch of rippers will ever let some floundering kook who can barely stand up get any half decent wave all to themselves. The people who surf best tend to get the best waves cos they are in the right spot and deeper than the rest as they have the ability to speed through those deeper sections and make the later take offs...I agree a friendly attitude in the water is a good thing. Just believe we should leave the special breaks such as this one to the better guys as frankly the kooks tend to act as obstacles and never catch any waves.If the locals here were friendly to every novice and let them catch their fair share next week there would be 100 kooks in the line up...the week after that 200 etc These same rippers wouldn't expect to go out at a break and call Kelly Jordy and Taj off waves,There will always be pecking orders, It's just the harsh reality ... These sorts of breaks don't handle crowds of 30-40 or more it becomes dangerous for all involved.

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J P Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

I admired his honesty. I have never surfed another spot believing anyone is happy me and the masses are paddling out. Never thought for one moment a local would prefer that to sitting in the line up with a bunch of his mates, who he knows can handle the wave. Never believed that when you travel to a beach resort that any local who has chosen a quiet retreat to live relishes, the masses arriving during the summer months, and every weekend swells permitting. This page has made me laugh, anyone moaning about localism, proves they are achieving there goals, They probably don't want to hit you, they would just rather you didn't over crowed the break they live at.

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CatEmpire Feb 27, 2011 Rating: -1

your pro-localism propaganda nearly had me swayed...until i remembered localisms for aggro bellends who don't know how to travel.

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Get Joggly Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

You're town sounds like my town (Check my pics for crowds ) and same, i don't recall ever seeing a punch thrown ..... except on the recent nightly news break , some visiting INTERNATIONAL PRO's rag dolling a grommie in the white wash ! Nice forum on crowd control thanks

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whitsandmatt Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 2

You don`t get proper localism in Cornwall, when it comes down to it what are they gonna do? We have laws which are upheld, if someone physicaly attacks you they get prosecuted. In 25 years of surfing the S.W. and living at a surf beach, I`ve never seen or heard of any physical intimidation.Bravado perhaps, snaking and lack of etiquette by the bucket full, lack of friendliness and too cool for school posse`s clogging up the vogue spots; but violence does not feature in our line ups or I`ve just been fortunate. Try the Canaries for a nasty bout of hardcore thugery, not only would they give you a good kick in after dropping in on you and you daring to call the wave, they`d trash your car, rob your room and when you report anything it turns out the cops are party to the negative crew who cause misery.....my rant of the day!

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Get Joggly Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 1

You're town sounds like my town (Check my pics for crowds ) and same, i don't recall ever seeing a punch thrown ..... except on the recent nightly news break , some visiting INTERNATIONAL PRO's king hitting and rag dolling a grommie in the white wash !

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Get Joggly Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

You're town sounds like my town (Check my pics for crowds ) and same, i don't recall ever seeing a punch thrown ..... except on the recent nightly news break , some visiting INTERNATIONAL PRO's king hitting and rag dolling a grommie in the white wash ! Nice forum on crowd control thanks

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pat gibbs Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 0

should of gone too croyde, pillooks

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tjo Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 5

shoulder's crowded but not the peak?

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kookyslater Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 3

Is there an Unmaxible crowd limit here?

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Get Joggly Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 2

Everyone moaning about crowds yet one goes UNRIDDEN ?

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Tequila Sunrise Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

An Irish surfer would have taken off behind the peak and made it. Why is everyone sitting down the line?

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pat gibbs Feb 26, 2011 Rating: -1

sure 1 of those dots will RIDE it

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Get Joggly Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 0

2 Questions : Raglan is that you ? Everyone moaning about crowds yet one goes UNRIDDEN ?

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Get Joggly Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 0

2 Questions : Raglan is that you ? Everyone moaning about crowds but one goes UNRIDDEN ?

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BoroGTI Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 0

Widemouth bay has a bad rep then?

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DoAPooAndGambole Feb 26, 2011 Rating: -2

some may say its not a proper secret, but ive surfed west cornwall all my life and don't know where it is so if was you i'd keep it to yourself so i dont drive there!

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palosverdes Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 1

Not West Cornwall.

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tjo Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 12

the only secret here seems to be that the wave is about 50 yds to the left

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doobie mcshitlips Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 1

nice setup except for all the donkeys

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BuzyG Feb 25, 2011 Rating: 0

Used to surf here regularly, not bothered for about 5 years, since it got crowded. Did take a look from the cliff this day. Then drove a few miles and surfed, with just my son and I on it, there are still plenty of cracking uncrowded spots left, in Cornwal. Hope they all enjoyed the day as much as we did.

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Young gun Feb 25, 2011 Rating: 1

crowded much?

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bottom_burp Feb 25, 2011 Rating: 33

they're are some real arrogant pricks that call themselves locals here that regularly abuse people and make people sessions a misery, yet travel the world with cameras to other peoples backyards and expect to be treated nicely, double standards anyone?

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J P Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

I am not attacking anyone, I am enjoying the hypocrisy that everyone is getting behind someone's comment about localism. Who in the past has sent comments to a photographer for naming a so called "secret spot." Which I can only assume is because he would rather surf the spot with less people?

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jon terry Feb 27, 2011 Rating: -1

JP I have been a local and a visitor and I understand how shit it is for all when 10 are paddling for one wave it just ain't right. I was or maybe still am considered a local at Lacanau I spent 10 summer/autumns there and was engaged to a local for five years, all we did was live surf and party with our friends there (the locals) and I still go back and surf with them alot. I have watched this place get bigger every year and wish for the old days when everyone was welcome in the water because we all did something that nobody else did, but they ain't gonna come back.Surfing's success is it's downfall. But like many other breaks in the world a ten minute walk means empty waves and that is the best ten minutes you can spend, but in ten years you'll be walking 20 minutes and in 20 years time it's your kids problem and we will say I remember surfing with only 50 out back. I have lived north devon as well and maybe I'm wrong but I ain't gonna take shit off some local when I was surfing his break before he was born. Oh well JP this issue is like the middle east, it ain't ever gonna sort itself out. Peace Bro

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J P Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 1

I was just stating the flip side, people are moaning about maybe one situation when a local has displayed "localism" towards them. Your comment was displaying the mindset of perhaps one visitor, displaying the behavior that every local will get to hear about. It works both ways, locals were passionate about these spots long before the mass appeal, to the extent that they built a life around them. Most of them will simply ask for the same manners they would display in visiting the place you have chosen to call home.

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jon terry Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 2

JP what I'm saying is if I get shit in the water I give it back and it doesn't happen often, but why should someone take shit if they are not doing anything wrong, we all know how annoying getting dropped in on is. But if you paddle out and take your turn why should you put up with grief? The first time I went to Mundaka out of the water everybody wanted to know why me and my misses came to their small village and when we said it was for the surf we were welcomed with open arms and even offered an apartment for free for the summer but we wanted to surf more of the coast but returned to party with them on our way back. Anyway just a nod normally is enough not to get grief in the line up. I'm not an angry surfer but I don't take shit either. Do the locals expect to walk up to the bar and get served before the tourists at these places?

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Drew Peacock Feb 27, 2011 Rating: 0

WTF, This sentance reads like it's been translated into Japanese, then into Punjabi and then back to English. Does this website automatically shuffle words as soon as they are submitted? Or can't anyone write a proper sentance any more?

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tjo Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 4

surfing is nomadic, localism goes against just about everything surfing makes you feel

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Gil Hogarth Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 0

yeah

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Tilly Hogarth Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 2

zumajay?

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J P Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 1

Your right, but the local surf shop owner tells you he loves you....$$$$$$

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Gil Hogarth Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 3

Yeah they do get rather annoying

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J P Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 3

With comments like that, you wonder why you get localism. Its going to be unpopular but if you go to a place where people have invested both their time and financially, to be a part of, with an I'm going to tell the locals to F off and break their board attitude, you are going to set a president for their behavior.

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jon terry Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 1

well said, localism sucks if they start on ya take it to the beach shove your board in their face and strangle them with your leash put wax in their eyes and sand down their throat then snap their board unless it is better than yours then you keep it. But you can normally stop all this by being respectful if that don't work a strong FUCK OFF usually does it if not back to the top.

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archibald gruntfuttock Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 0

Amen to that !

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stevethorp Feb 23, 2011 Rating: 0

A not very secret, secret spot..

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archibald gruntfuttock Feb 26, 2011 Rating: 0

amen to that!

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