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Tony Plant's photo of Newquay-  Little Fistral

James Mitchell, paddles little Fisty

Average rating of 4.49 from 209 votes

Newquay- Little Fistral

Spot Location: UK + Ireland > England > Newquay- Little Fistral

Date Taken: 19th November 2011. 59729 page views since 19th November 2011.

Swell Rating Primary Swell Secondary Swell Wind (+ Gusts) Weather
10.5ft 13s 258.73°     10 15 mph Overcast 58°f
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lookinforlefts Nov 28, 2011 Rating: 1

so reading the comments... just wandering would hawaiians measure breasts from lookin at womens backs?? my opinion, its the front you need to look at whatever it may be. 2 1/2 X overhead.

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fatsomio Nov 25, 2011 Rating: 1

This is one of the most dramatic and beautiful photos of a man on a wave I've seen......I've also have to add that before I found M S W my image of Great Brittan surf was that I would just be blown out and trashy everywhere all the time. Thanks for the Photos.......

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charliespeirs Nov 25, 2011 Rating: 0

Ill pass on that one ..

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thewolf Nov 25, 2011 Rating: -1

This man is a f@#cking beast!

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David H Nov 24, 2011 Rating: -4

Some people stand in the darkness Afraid to step into the light Some people need to help somebody When the edge of surrender’s in sight.. Don’t you worry! Its gonna be alright ‘cause I’m always ready, I won’t let you out of my sight. I’ll be ready (I’ll be ready) Never you fear (no don’t you fear) I’ll be ready Forever and always I’m always here. In us we all have the power But sometimes its so hard to see And instinct is stronger than reason It’s just human nature to me.. Don’t you worry! Its gonna be alright ‘cause I’m always ready, I won’t let you out of my sight. I’ll be ready (I’ll be ready) Never you fear (no don’t you fear) I’ll be ready Forever and always I’m always here. (Instrumental) ‘Cause I’m always ready I won’t let you out of my sight! I’ll be ready (I’ll be ready) Never you fear (no don’t you fear) I’ll be ready Forever and always I’m always here. Forever and always I’m always here. www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqNXE07fKuw

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ahinalu Dec 10, 2011 Rating: 2

^ LOL my wife just looked at your post and asked me why you posted the words to the baywatch theme song. All I can say is, I hope you paste and copied that shit.

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Coelacanth Nov 24, 2011 Rating: -1

You could almost feel your brain cells die while watching that show...with the sound on I mean...Sorry for the hassle...Hoff...

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Coelacanth Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 0

You could almost feel your brain cells dying watching that show...with the sound on I mean...

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Dropin73 Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 3

I think all waves should be measured by the size of your grin afterwards.

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JP1 Nov 26, 2011 Rating: 2

Or the contents of your wet suit

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Kays-Aways-From-Wayvs Nov 24, 2011 Rating: -1

it's a big wave but it's not even close to being top to bottom, she is just crumbling, a long boarder's wet dream. I reckon is about 1ft... In my pants ;-)

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Still-Trying-D Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 1

So we've discussed wave size, ball size, where the pic was truly taken etc etc Just can't believe no ones asked...... Did he make it?

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in2surf Nov 26, 2011 Rating: 0

and once in the hills the gower sheep would sort them out

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lewie123 Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 0

Fantastic comment!

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Caswellsurfer Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 4

No way, Low tide caswell would have Hawians running for the hills. ;)

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in2surf Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 0

almost like like low tide caswell!

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Caswellsurfer Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 16

No, he was too busy trying to work out the size of the wave, debating whether he should measure it from the front of the wave or the back. Then his Solid 6ft balls caused him to loose balance and wipeout at which point he began counting, in order to tell if this was a 10second wave, because this is the important stuff.. The riding the wave is just to get a good close up veiw to help measure the wave.. Thats why surfing was invented right??

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connors Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 0

TVP,belter mate. The only time I read something on here that actually made me Laugh Out Loud.

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Coelacanth Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 0

Good on ya mate(I'm in Oz speak mode today...I have good waves for a change...and they don't...haha)...'TVP' does know to tickle funny bones sometimes, doesn't he? I laughed out loud too...when you called him 'TVP'. I wonder how he feels about...RSVP?...Or maybe...HMS VP?...Sorry...I am killing time here right now 'cause MSW admin is up to something...and access to profile pages is down. Let me check again. I'll probably be back.

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DINGOES Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 1

hawaii is hawaii kernow is kernow californwall its 7 to 17 feet. although the goose rock behind me must be 100ft tall so you know??!! personaly i call it 10 seconds, i mesure the hold downs though.

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Potjiekos Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 0

All this obsession with measuring size properly leads me to only two questions: 1. If you're a kook like me would you feel better landing head first over the falls re-connecting some body part with your board if it was only 6ft (Hawaiian, that is)? 2. Does your girlfriend prefer all 12 inches, or just a "Hawaiian" 6?

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ahinalu Dec 6, 2011 Rating: -2

Growing up on Oahu, I was always taught that when measuring a wave, it was basically the back plus or minus for power. So some place like Sunset when there's a bit north in the swell a 10' face you'd be calling it around 3-5'. But if the swell was really west and the bowl was thumping you would call it around 4-8'. That's why Pat Caldwell pushed so hard to keep the "Hawaiian" standard when he was pressured by NOAA/NWS to call it by the face (which he finally did). That's why I have a hard time still to this day calling a wave here in Canada that might have a 10' face but no barrel ten feet and calling the same size at a spot that is throwing hard the same size, because in reality they are different. A 396 Camaro might still be a Camaro, but it sure as hell isn't the same as a stock 250. So when someone asks how bit was it today? You could say well...10' faces but it was really weak or you could say 3-4', instead of 10' faces but ledging and throwing hard you could say 6-8'. I think the Hawaiian way lets you know better what board to ride and how good you need to be to ride it. But if it makes you feel better calling a weak mushy spot 10' to feed you ego, go for it.

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Tony Chaney Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 0

Look, hes doing the pacman arms, do you think he's eating the weakness of the wave or the grayness of England?

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take it for granted? - never Nov 22, 2011 Rating: -2

back in black

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jugglia Nov 22, 2011 Rating: -2

Probably about a 20ft face a.k.a. 10ft Hawaiian. Looks pretty choppy and mean out there, does this barrel in the right conditions?

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Mitchell L. Nov 23, 2011 Rating: -1

choppy? please, come to south florida and see real 30 mph, onshore, windchop waves.

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the vanity project Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 13

Please help. I’m texting this message from Pizzahut, I’m in the process of ordering a Hawaiian. Just read the comments below. Was going to order the 12”, will the 3” actually be sufficient?

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the vanity project Nov 25, 2011 Rating: 0

I bloody well knew there was one out there, does she have a sister with a similar outlook? Although winter is coming, better check that 2” is ok

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landlocked&pointless Nov 25, 2011 Rating: -1

although she's not from hawaii, my girlfriend assures me that 3" is sufficient.

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Tony Chaney Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 0

If you're still in line (21 hours later), the answer is no.

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ahinalu Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 0

Depends how thick it is.

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Tony Chaney Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 0

If you're still in line (4 hours later), the answer is no. Any size will leave you unsatisfied and longing for something that seems intangible.

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the vanity project Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 1

I wont be using the salad bar if this helps in the conversion

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MulletMug Nov 22, 2011 Rating: -3

Yes, an open water wave is truely measured from the middle(sea level) of the amplitude(even NOAA uses face size, because vessels are'nt dealing with half a wave). A BREAKING wave has so many variables that sea level is thrown out the window. Where do people generally view a BREAKING wave from? Land, looking towards the face, the only way to consistently measure and compare a BREAKING wave. If you could look at a BREAKING wave from the back, and estimate the size, and what the ride on the face would be like then maybe things would be different. It's common sense. A Hawaiin waterman and historian says, "The origin of the scale is obscure. The candidates are: Hawaiian life guards calling smaller sizes to keep tourists away. The measurement is "from the back" of the wave, or from wave buoy readings. Macho understatement by early surfers." enough said

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CAZZ Nov 28, 2011 Rating: 0

who cares

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ahinalu Nov 25, 2011 Rating: 0

Growing up on Oahu, I was always taught that when measuring a wave, it was basically the back plus or minus for power. So some place like Sunset when there's a bit north in the swell a 10' face you'd be calling it around 3-5'. But if the swell was really west and the bowl was thumping you would call it around 4-8'. That's why Pat Caldwell pushed so hard to keep the "Hawaiian" standard when he was pressured by NOAA/NWS to call it by the face (which he finally did). That's why I have a hard time still to this day calling a wave here in Canada that might have a 10' face but no barrel ten feet and calling the same size at a spot that is throwing hard the same size, because in reality they are different. A 396 Camaro might still be a Camaro, but it sure as hell isn't the same as a stock 250. So when someone asks how bit was it today? You could say well...10' faces but it was really weak or you could say 3-4', instead of 10' faces but ledging and throwing hard you could say 6-8'. I think the Hawaiian way lets you know better what board to ride and how good you need to be to ride it. But if it makes you feel better calling a weak mushy spot 10' to feed you ego, go for it.

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MulletMug Nov 23, 2011 Rating: -2

Hah, your right, commercial fishing and swells have been way too slow the last few weeks! Luckily that all changes in a week when prices go up on fish. Hate hearing about about Hawiian wave BS, hope that gets dropped soon because it is just that... BS... I'll be getting adrenaline rushes everyday for the next year, be it fishing, or surfing... Hope your on the same page bud.

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take it for granted? - never Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 1

you need to get out more often

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MulletMug Nov 22, 2011 Rating: -2

"Recently however, former big wave aficionado Ricky Grigg (who happened to be one of those aforementioned pioneers) wrote a story in The Surfer's Journal (volume 12, number 1) describing his opinion on how the Hawaiian scale got established. He said that back in the day, when the lifeguards made their daily surf height reports they would purposely call it smaller than it really was. Lowering the report typically meant fewer beachgoers for them to worry about and allowed them (most surfers themselves) more time to partake in the waves. As time went by, Grigg surmised that the scale slowly evolved into what it is today."

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BuzyG Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 1

Great picture, captures the day and what a day(Weekend)it was, on the Cornish North Shore. Love some of the comments re height of the wave. Interesting some one metioned, when it's 3-4 ft, we talk about the average wave height. Often there will be 6-7ft faces on such a day, but they seldom get a mention. However when there's a great picture of a 15-20ft wall of joy, with some lucky sod getting his balls stretched, then that's what most of us, me included, talk about. Think we may all be a little two faced here. Keep takin great Photos Tony. (Little Fisty Ha!)

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Dropin73 Nov 22, 2011 Rating: -2

Surely the important bit of the wave is the bit you are surfing on? I think they should include a factor which identifies the catagory of the wave. this wave is a 15ft crumbly. teahupoo at same size would be 15ft death wall. there everyone is happy. english people as we do get some decent size waves and hawaiians as it still indicates there waves are better than ours.

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chanty Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 3

Nice wave!! Chunky, bumpy, cold, dark and intimidating. Hawaiian's wouldn't go near this wave as none of them are hard enough to deal with the water temperature.

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kealakekuas Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 0

ho bra watch your mouth

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doobie mcshitlips Nov 22, 2011 Rating: -1

good day for practicing airs

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harveyplatt Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

"little Fistral" my arse.

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bali_trader Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 1

Yeah right. I dont remember that small island being there. Either way, wicked shot and a scary looking wave. 1-2 foot Hawaiian i reckon.

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Caz D Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

It was 9-10 ft at Crooklets, Bude. SICK!

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ollyfawcett Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

X4 overhead. in Hawaii to build a two floor house, they use 60ft logs... thats SOLID 14 ft xD

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QC Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 0

holy shit 14 ft!!..you really think so? not that i use feet but thats a ridiculous statement, it double o'head, you need to get out more :)

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porthtowan slsc Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Great shot...solid waves that day, Porthtowan also about 10 feet and clean, hell of a paddle though on a swell single finn!

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Justin Phipps Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 2

7 ft hawaiian...lol ... ha ha ha.....thought this was uk photo in cornwall.......never heard a stupider comment.....either that or the surfers a midget......either way hes on it....

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MulletMug Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 10

Sorry Hawaii, your out voted. The rest of the world says BREAKING waves are measured by face for obvious reasons. So one question...? If your dick was 8 inches, would you call it 3-4?

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7 Nov 25, 2011 Rating: 2

There's only one scientifically meaningful way of measuring anything, and that's ... oooh, that's a pretty cloud.

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the vanity project Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 1

all dick measuring contests are vanity sports

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sdfjkljklsh Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 1

all sports are metaphorical dick measuring contests, vanity

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the vanity project Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 6

Since when has measuring your dick been a sport?

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sdfjkljklsh Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 1

In any case they can measure however they want.. to each their own. And also they did invent the sport

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sdfjkljklsh Nov 22, 2011 Rating: -2

Yes actually, Hawaiians prefer to measure by diameter. 3" is huge

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superbust Nov 21, 2011 Rating: -1

cold, dark, and heavy. great ride, great shot.

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dan250474 Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 1

Im thinking that some of the folks who comment on here need tape measures. By my reckoning, unless the blokes a midget, the face of that wave is 20ft plus.

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Geoff Glenn Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 1

The offshore spray doesn't count.

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pablo69 Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

great wave, great shot, pritty fucking amazing.

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Makkattack Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 2

B&W really adds the mood! - Great shot!!

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Tony Chaney Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 0

Its not B&W, its England.

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landlocked&pointless Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 2

WORD to his mum.

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landlocked&pointless Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 0

ok... if necrophilia is your thing it's probably best that you keep that as your little secret... ooops, too late... weirdo.

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landlocked&pointless Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 0

well if necrophilia is your thing? seems a bit wierd but each to there own.

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ironfist Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 2

and to yours mate because I banged her last night

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Tony Chaney Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Yeah! Quit being such a doucheb@g, clearly its over 6f... oh wait.

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Tony Chaney Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Yeah! Quit being such a douchbag, clearly it over 6f... oh wait.

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QC Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

solid! looks like outer Hebs on an average day

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gizz Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

that is one sick wave,hats off to a great pic and ride

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Tony Chaney Nov 21, 2011 Rating: -6

Alright, alright. Solid 7ft... Hawaiian.

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7 Dec 1, 2011 Rating: 3

This thread took up so much space it pushed my definitive comment right off the bottom. So, for those seeking real knowledge, I will resubmit: There's only one scientifically meaningful way of measuring anything, and that's ... oooh, that's a pretty cloud.

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Coelacanth Dec 1, 2011 Rating: 1

Do I detect some negativity there?

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soutie Nov 30, 2011 Rating: 0

he is not a top guy

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Coelacanth Nov 30, 2011 Rating: 0

Ha ha...Thanks 'in2surf'...(this is a test...it is ONLY a test)...It's what we Americans do...(commence countdown)...

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in2surf Nov 29, 2011 Rating: 1

hey coelacanth - you sound like a top guy - any 'special needs' comments were not aimed at you/general public! used to work in the biology/environemental protection field myself - thanks for attempting to peace keep!

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Coelacanth Nov 28, 2011 Rating: 0

OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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soutie Nov 27, 2011 Rating: 0

rms is a measurement. amplitude is independant of frequency. a sine wave may be used to represent both longditudinal and transverse wave as a plot of amplitude agains time.

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in2surf Nov 27, 2011 Rating: 0

yep - time to let it die RIP! been fun bantering with the clown!

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Coelacanth Nov 27, 2011 Rating: 0

Oh, just one more thing(the best Columbo imitation I can do...in text)...I can't tell if soutie/Crusty was purposely trying to further confuse and/or bamboozle 'us'...or not...But I wouldn't put it past him...He has an evil side to him...I say we take his voltmeter away from him for awhile...

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Coelacanth Nov 27, 2011 Rating: 0

Oh, just one more thing(the best Columbo imitation I can do...in text)...I can't tell if soutie/Crusty was purposely trying to further confuse and/or bamboozle 'us' or not...but I wouldn't put it past him. He has an evil side to him...

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Coelacanth Nov 27, 2011 Rating: 0

I know it's time to let this thread fade out and die...but this statement by 'in2surf'...seeming to say that...in physics...ocean/water wave height & amplitude were equal...with his 'flat water surface' reference...is probably where some of the confusion and contention began......in2surf5 days ago Unrated Reply "always cause confusion - in physics - the height of a wave (or the amplitude) is measured from the mid point i.e the flat water surface to the peak!"...The HEIGHT of an ocean/water wave is actually DOUBLE the amplitude...NOT equal...and is measured from the TROUGH to the peak...http://magicseaweed.com/Wave-Fundementals-Article/323/

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Coelacanth Nov 27, 2011 Rating: 0

@in2surf...I am glad you did jump in and mix it up a bit...and share your knowledge...but then I'm a 'special needs' nerd...with more book-learnin' & past work experience in biology & chemistry than in this physics stuff...I had to be corrected in my misconceptions about deep water wave period & speed very recently(by Bazza...another weeder)...and was glad for that too.

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Coelacanth Nov 27, 2011 Rating: 0

Well...NOW I'm a little less confused about most of those concepts...having been forced to resort to Google so many times to follow this 'electric' debate...Thanks guys...OK...Crank it Nigel...er, I mean...Crusty(sooo VP like...changing the subject under duress I mean)...If only I still had the Godzilla vs. Monster Eggs Japanese Sci-Fi YouTube video someone had edited parody dialogue...and THIS SONG...into...It was high-voltage(amperage???) stuff...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ8Jn2-XLXA

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in2surf Nov 27, 2011 Rating: 0

and then we have to stress about refraction, diffraction and reflection - why oh why did i even bother commenting on a photo of a guy surfing a big wave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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in2surf Nov 27, 2011 Rating: 0

and don't even start with the frequency which will also affect the sound and is related to speed and wavelength and all of these will affect the amplitude

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in2surf Nov 26, 2011 Rating: 0

and what do you mean by a pure note?? are you referring to a lack of interference? or the pitch of a sound which is related to its wavelength?

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in2surf Nov 26, 2011 Rating: 0

and rms is a statistical method of calculating a varying quantity - not a measurement as in feet, inches, metres etc

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in2surf Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -2

and you keep going on about a sine wave - this is purely a mathematical function - not an actual wave!

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in2surf Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -2

spinal tap???

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soutie Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -2

these go up to 11

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in2surf Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -2

hahaha - sound can be displayed on an oscilloscope - but a sound wave is longitudinal - where the energy transferred is in the same plane as the direction of movement - and the amplitide of the sound (the amount of energy it contains) is measured from compression to compression or rarefaction to rarefaction - just like certain seismic waves, but unlike transverse waves such as light, uv, infrared, gamma, radio, microwaves, xrays and WATER WAVES

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soutie Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -2

aaaarrrgh, i give up. no i dont. a pure note (sound) is a sine wave, as is ac voltage.

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in2surf Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -2

ac voltage is nothing like sound???? sound travels as a longitudinal wave???

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soutie Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -1

you said "in physics". well in physics, amplitude is most commonally measured by rms, then peak to peak. ac voltage is a waveform, like sound and, oh yes, ocean swell. peak to peak is not a measure of wavelength. I quote "like teaching my special needs science class".

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in2surf Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -2

totally agree that there is no right and wrong in wave measurement and it will always vary in the world - however we aren't dealing with electricty or circuits - we are talking about WATER, and water waves being transverse waves have an amplitude measured from equilibrium point to the highest point of the peak - or to the lowest point of the trough - so peak to trough would be amplitude x 2, p.s send your address and i'll buy a copy of Dr Tony Butt's Surf Science book for xmas!

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Coelacanth Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -2

I don't know how you can declare a steep faced, breaking wave's vertical 'size' just by looking at it's back...and ignoring the much more obvious trough in front. Especially when wave periods are so variable. The really powerful, longer period swells...more familiar to Hawaiians & Tahitiians than to the rest of us...also STILL have such a much greater horizontal measure(ie. distance from viewer)behind them when they hit shallow water and are compressed and actually break...Wouldn't that make a verticle size 'guesstimate' from the back of the wave even harder with them...the further away they are(horizontally speaking)?...And slab swells...fugedaboutit!!!

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Coelacanth Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -2

I know next nothing about electricity...but I almost learned about it the hard way trimming branches with a pole saw in the backyard not too long ago. High voltage can be sooo scary...and sparky!!!And damaging to neighborhood relationships(Sorry)...I think in2surf is talking more about open ocean/deep water waves...and their peaks...which is what the buoys measure. So he is right there...But when they reach shallow water, the wave period(and energy) gets 'compressed', the wave peak jacks up, the wave trough('negative peak'???...sooo confusing to us non-legends of electricity...kinda like sayin' 'jumbo shrimp' innit?)in front of it drops lower...and a steeper, more vertical wave 'face' is formed between them. THAT is what us 'chargers' care about...So the clown is right there...The 'confusion'...and 'fun'...is really about disagreeing on how much of that face below the peak(crest)we actually use to declare as the wave's 'size'...Maybe also imagining a rider on it helps. I call 2 ft. waist high, 3 ft. is chest high, 4 ft. is head high, etc. So I shave off more of the lower & much less vertical wave face in the trough than a confused newby might. Like the clown said...everyone does it differently.

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Coelacanth Nov 26, 2011 Rating: 0

Shamelessly stolen from someone named Jason elsewhere.......So, a neutron walked into a bar and said "I’d like a beer, please." After the bartender gave him one, he said "How much will that be?" "For you?" said the bartender "No charge."

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the vanity project Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -1

reckon this thread is a bit AC-DC

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soutie Nov 26, 2011 Rating: 0

that is to say that that voltage CAN transfer energy as a wave

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soutie Nov 26, 2011 Rating: 0

that is to say that in physics - the height of a wave (or the amplitude) is NOT measured from the mid point i.e the flat water surface to the peak!

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soutie Nov 26, 2011 Rating: -2

pity i cant draw a picture. put your finger in a socket and see if you dont WAVE. consider the lowest point of the surface sucking down in front of a wave as the negative peak and the top of the wave as the positive peak, the vertical distance (face) could be considered as a peak to peak amplitude measurement. the horizontal distance between two consecutive wave peaks being the wavelength. breaking waves are not sine waves though, more like a sawtooth. when you travel to different lands people have different ways of doing things. there is no right and wrong in wave measurement, just geographical location. there can surely be no comeback to this, in2surf, because you have been proved wrong.

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hooneroids Nov 25, 2011 Rating: -2

in summer you can measure it by how far the person dropping in on you has travelled, in winter theres a bit of guessing...

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in2surf Nov 25, 2011 Rating: 0

wow!! i'm impressed! but still doesn't change the fact that voltage is not and doesn't transfer energy as a wave - even if an ac voltage can be displayed as a wave form on an oscilloscope! when looking at transverse waves - as water waves are, the amplitude is the disance between mid point and peak, peak to peak is wavelength! so at the end of all that ..... the hawaians know what they are on about!

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Coelacanth Nov 25, 2011 Rating: 0

Zeus and Apollo(and that third one...who's name escapes me now)were snipped?...It WAS the responsible thing to do I suppose.

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soutie Nov 25, 2011 Rating: 0

, luckily

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the vanity project Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 0

There can be only one

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Younes Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 0

I personnaly know only 1 VP

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soutie Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 0

thanks, but I am also a legend in ac electrical circuit measurements, where the voltage also alternates in a sine WAVE. we could have called it av but avdv just doesnt have the same ring to it. The 2 most common measurements of the amplitude are Vrms (root mean squared) and Vpp, .The peak-to-peak value of an AC voltage is defined as the difference between its positive peak and its negative peak. Since the maximum value of sin(x) is +1 and the minimum value is −1, an AC voltage swings between + Vpeak and − Vpeak. The peak-to-peak voltage, usually written as Vpp or VP − P, is therefore Vpeak − ( − Vpeak) = 2Vpeak.

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in2surf Nov 24, 2011 Rating: 0

soutie - despite your lack of knowledge of physics - you are a legend and i do salute you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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in2surf Nov 23, 2011 Rating: 0

ac = alternating current - nothing to do with voltage!! voltage = the potential difference in an electrical circuit or put simply the amount of electrical energy pushed into a circuit!!! still F*** all to do with waves! like teaching my special needs science class!

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soutie Nov 23, 2011 Rating: -2

it is if its ac, and peak to peak is an amplitude measurement.

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in2surf Nov 22, 2011 Rating: -1

hey soutie - peak to peak would be wavelength - and voltage isn't a wave!

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Tony Chaney Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 0

Jeez, tell me about it.

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Two Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 0

magicinthewater, thanks for the support! I don't make up the rules, I just live here... Touchy subject apparently!

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magicinthewater Nov 22, 2011 Rating: -3

Why has Two got a massive minus rating for stating a fact? It might not be logical but the Hawaiians have been surfing a bit longer than us. Nice photo, I'd be on the beach or seeking shelter.

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soutie Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 0

in2surf, not if your measurement is peak to peak (as in voltage).

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fhflipper Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 1

Agreed - I grew up in SA and we measure from the back 3ft is head high or just over - 6ft is double over, etc etc...

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grandfield Nov 22, 2011 Rating: 3

7 foot? Do you measure from the base or the balls?

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in2surf Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

always cause confusion - in physics - the height of a wave (or the amplitude) is measured from the mid point i.e the flat water surface to the peak!

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Justin Phipps Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 13

then divide by the square route of bordom

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JOCT GLOBAL Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

There are places in which we measure from the back.. Im actualy make fun when .. I hear someone that says "oh It was all great....como and surf and when I show up.. is just a 3 foot front.... Where im from 3foot back is something that we start taking about...

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MulletMug Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 2

They do, they say it was really fun 3 ft pounding the reef when the face is smashing at 12 ft. The whole hawaiin measurement is just a case of little pecker syndrome. OH but if its real big, you bet, they go by face size...

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whitsandsurfer Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 8

what is the point in measuring it by the back of the wave !? thats the most pointless thing ive ever heard ! you dont ride the back of the wave + you could say that a solid 10 to 12ft wave at chopes is flat because there is no back on those kind of waves . the best way to work out the size of a wave is if its head high , double over head , triple over head e.t.c

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dc Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 15

In Hawaii, to build a house with 8foot high walls, they actually have to buy 24foot pieces of timber...

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bassteamer Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

I measure the face from the most straight up and down vertical part to the very top of the wave, where it is starting to feather.

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Two Nov 21, 2011 Rating: -15

Hawaiian wave measurements are different from face measurements in that they measure the back of the wave. A good rule of thumb is to multiply the face measurement by 2.

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surf vendée Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Oh come off it mate give credit where credit is due . If YOU were paddling into that There is no way on earth you'd call it six foot !!! Stop trying to act macho on the internet anyone can do that . this guys actually surfing the wave !!

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youdig Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 8

Hawian? That face is 12-15. Call it how it is. This aint fuckin Hawaii.

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Gogmagog Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Wow what a shot, incredible.

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Dicer Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 4

Brilliant shot Tony, hmmmmm Little Fisty ey?! Those rocks have grown!

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Spongerdudette Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

They most certainly have ;)

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zsigner Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

love the dramatic color! True rider on a storm :)

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youdig Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Moody. Love it. Fancy paddling through that lot? Na. He deserved that ride!

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KeithMan Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

sick shot

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JP1 Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Anyone know what date this photo was taken on

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Tony Chaney Nov 21, 2011 Rating: -19

Solid 6 ft.

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3blindmice Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 13

His balls are a solid 6ft

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Tony Chaney Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Yeah! Quit being such a douchebag, clearly its over 6f... oh wait.

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Tony Chaney Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Alright, alright. Solid 7ft... Hawaiian.

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markdbn Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Yeah, solid 10ft.

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Gogmagog Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 4

No way is that 6ft. The wave looks about 3 times + the height of a man crouching on his board, I'd say 10-12 ft

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QC Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

jeesus get a sense of humour

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QC Nov 21, 2011 Rating: -1

jeeesus! get a sense of humour

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stritch Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

solid 8 foot

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greggybread Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 4

I love it when people have pissing contests about how big their swell is and totally forget the whole essence of just enjoying it. If you're gonna bitch about who's is bigger, sell your boards and buy a ztec silly kids coz you clearly dont belong on the waves

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youdig Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Yeah!

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The Man With No Name Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 3

Better than the 3 foot dribble you uploaded on your own profile "attention whore!"

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surf vendée Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 20

Oh come off it mate give credit where credit is due . If YOU were paddling into that There is no way on earth you'd call it six foot !!! Stop trying to act macho on the internet anyone can do that . this guys actually surfing the wave !!

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TomR Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 1

Great photo Tony, Fistral totally firing - good work dude...

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SEAN11 Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

that looks like a terrible idea! imagine getting churned around on the inside by that bad boy.....

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spank Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

That is mean looking !!

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Pompies Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 3

nothing little about that

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zwaager Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 4

thats what she said! xD

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freddie99 Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 1

rather you than me!

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Jazzer Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 0

Hefty

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JOhnWM Nov 21, 2011 Rating: 1

Solid

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